Saturday, April 21, 2012

Camouflage vs Stealth

Will Rogues finally be able to open on a Camouflaged Hunter after 4.1, or will we have to wait longer?

Inb4 "working as intended" - Blizzard said it isn't.
This is new and interesting!
Will Rogues finally be able to open on a Camouflaged Hunter after 4.1, or will we have to wait longer?

Inb4 "working as intended" - Blizzard said it isn't.

Where in the patch notes does it say:
1. All openers are now treated as melee attacks and therefore can be blocked, dodged, and parried
OR
2. Hunters in camouflage and no longer protected from ranged attacks


You have your answer. FoK hunters.
camo on a flare = win
camo =/= stealth
camo < stealth

Inb4 "working as intended" - Blizzard said it isn't.

Source?

Also, learn to read patch notes.
There's been a few responses from tickets where a GM says it's not working as intended.
There have also been a few where they said it is.
They're somewhere on the DDF.

Who even knows anymore.
off topic... hi stalked!
Will Rogues finally be able to open on a Camouflaged Hunter after 4.1, or will we have to wait longer?

Inb4 "working as intended" - Blizzard said it isn't.

Where in the patch notes does it say:
1. All openers are now treated as melee attacks and therefore can be blocked, dodged, and parried
OR
2. Hunters in camouflage and no longer protected from ranged attacks


You have your answer. FoK hunters.


No but thats the stupid thing, why should FoK work while openers dont?
We as stealth classes NEED to have the first move so we can set up our dps, you hunters dont.
Hunters already have too many tools against stealth in the first place, a pet that will IMMEDIATELY snare you out of stealth if your even close to the hunter and a flare, did they really need camo as well against stealth classes?
Plus with 4.1 we wont be able to chain you anymore with a disarm.
Oh noes, you'll just have to rely on your winning personalities to beat us.

That and your 70% snare, teleport, stunlocks and bleeds that ignore Deterrence.

If you can't beat us without getting a Cheap Shot off, you don't deserve to win.

Where in the patch notes does it say:
1. All openers are now treated as melee attacks and therefore can be blocked, dodged, and parried
OR
2. Hunters in camouflage and no longer protected from ranged attacks


You have your answer. FoK hunters.


No but thats the stupid thing, why should FoK work while openers dont?
We as stealth classes NEED to have the first move so we can set up our dps, you hunters dont.
Hunters already have too many tools against stealth in the first place, a pet that will IMMEDIATELY snare you out of stealth if your even close to the hunter and a flare, did they really need camo as well against stealth classes?
Plus with 4.1 we wont be able to chain you anymore with a disarm.

...
Dude, another class gives you trouble. Hunters can't kill spriests and aff locks, and have trouble with frost mages.

When you can allow your openers to be dodged, blocked, and parried, you can hit hunters in camo.
Its not that openers don't work on camo, but what bugs me is that no melee attack other than auto attack does. Tested it myself and hemo didn't work, neither did backstab. Auto attacking did.

At least openers not working would make sense due to them being coded as ranged, but its quite disturbing that this ability was left in its state. And not to mention traps being resisted.

Lack of professionalism from Blizz regarding the hunter class is what I see here.
Its not that openers don't work on camo, but what bugs me is that no melee attack other than auto attack does. Tested it myself and hemo didn't work, neither did backstab. Auto attacking did.

At least openers not working would make sense due to them being coded as ranged, but its quite disturbing that this ability was left in its state. And not to mention traps being resisted.

Lack of professionalism from Blizz regarding the hunter class is what I see here.

Because those can't be parried, dodged, or blocked while in stealth...
Its not that openers don't work on camo, but what bugs me is that no melee attack other than auto attack does. Tested it myself and hemo didn't work, neither did backstab. Auto attacking did.

At least openers not working would make sense due to them being coded as ranged, but its quite disturbing that this ability was left in its state. And not to mention traps being resisted.

Lack of professionalism from Blizz regarding the hunter class is what I see here.

Because those can't be parried, dodged, or blocked while in stealth...


But I wasn't in stealth.
Actually it doesn't make sense for rogues to not have the opener on a camo'd Hunter. I completely see the logistics behind the argument here.

And for the warlock saying Hunters can't beat Sps, mages, and locks....cmon dude. I can pretty much burst any clothie (besides a disc priest) down so fast they can't do much about it. Any smart Hunter can also kite a rogue forever, so I see no reason why Rogues shouldn't get the first opener if the hunter doesn't have that flare up on top of them.

Because those can't be parried, dodged, or blocked while in stealth...


But I wasn't in stealth.

question: why are you using hemo? shouldn't you be using FoK to get them out of camo?
Positional attacks also can't be dodged, blocked, or parried by design.
Oh noes, you'll just have to rely on your winning personalities to beat us.

That and your 70% snare, teleport, stunlocks and bleeds that ignore Deterrence.

If you can't beat us without getting a Cheap Shot off, you don't deserve to win.


learn to master's call, learn to disengage after ShS is used, learn to deterrence, learn that omfg bleeds and all other existing dots that have already been applied do damage through deterrence holy *!#! it is not a bubble. Dont treat it like one
Actually it doesn't make sense for rogues to not have the opener on a camo'd Hunter. I completely see the logistics behind the argument here.

And for the warlock saying Hunters can't beat Sps, mages, and locks....cmon dude. I can pretty much burst any clothie (besides a disc priest) down so fast they can't do much about it. Any smart Hunter can also kite a rogue forever, so I see no reason why Rogues shouldn't get the first opener if the hunter doesn't have that flare up on top of them.

Considering that soul link + regular cloth armor gives more physical damage reduction than mail, you are most likely hitting low resil targets.
Oh noes, you'll just have to rely on your winning personalities to beat us.

That and your 70% snare, teleport, stunlocks and bleeds that ignore Deterrence.

If you can't beat us without getting a Cheap Shot off, you don't deserve to win.


learn to master's call, learn to disengage after ShS is used, learn to deterrence, learn that omfg bleeds and all other existing dots that have already been applied do damage through deterrence holy *!#! it is not a bubble. Dont treat it like one

group pvp is balanced.
Mages spell steal MC.
Rogues share few DR with other classes.

Also,
How does any of this help if you're feared, then polyed, then stunned with DoTs ticking all over your face? Btw, your healer is sapped, and the warrior you're running with got frozen by the damned ice.

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